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southsoundtree · 6th April 2008, 08:15 PM

That is good if you are improving your accuracy quickly as that!

Something to think about is testing your TIP before leaving the ground. If you're sending a running bowline up to the TIP for Single Rope Technique SRT, then have you and a groundman pull on the single strand. This is about double your body weight, so if it holds, it should hold under the minor bouncing of your body as you ascend to your TIP where you can inspect it, and set up your Doubled Rope Technique DdRT.

Is sounds like you are asking about using a cambium saver and DdRT, good on you for the saver.

Sounds like you're talking DdRT, so have you on one end and the groundie on the other to, again, TEST your TIP with twice your body weight.

I was just a little bit out from the branch collar on a tree with DdRT. I tested the Douglas-fir branch that I thought would hold me. SNAP!! Had I not been testing on the ground, it could have been while I was on my way up, then my way down would have been FAST with a sudden stop at the end.

TEST! TEST from the ground!

There are some good throwline articles on ????????.com that inform on good techniques.

You sound like you have some additional branches in the way. You will be surprised at how you can manipulate your throwbag at times to get one limb slung with your line to avoid your difficulty.

Let's suppose you're dealing with a conifer with numerous branches that are radiating out from the tree, roughly horizontally, and somewhat stacked above one another.

Let's say that you're looking at the tree in front of you, which we will call the 12 O'clock position. Let's say your throw way from the left side as you're facing it, or 9:00 toward the right side or 3:00.

Now let's say that you have the Tie-in-point TIP at 12:00 with the 9:00 side clear, but after going over you TIP branch you've ended up on the 3:00 side of two branches on the way down. If you leave them there, you'll have the situation that you've described.
If you manipulate the bag carefully, you'll be able to avoid this at times. If you are slowly pulling in the line, raising your bag, coming closer to the branch with the throwline running against the 3:00 side of the problematic branch, when you are just barely underneath (~2-4"), give it a faster pull that will bounce the bag off the branch as it comes up. It will bounce toward the 3:00 direction as it comes above the branch. Now as it it above the problem branch and swinging from 3:00 toward 9:00, drop the line and the bag will now be on the desired 9:00 side of the offending branch. If you do this with all of the branches in the way, then you will have a clean shot for DdRT all the way up to your TIP. Now remember to test the integrity of the TIP with your climbline before leaving the ground.

Hope that this tip was clear enough, wish I could get a drawing in.

Best of luck, or should I say skill.

6th April 2008, 08:15 PM	#7 (permalink)
southsoundtree Sappling Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Olympia, WA, USA Posts: 18	Re: advanced throwbag technique? and cambium saver setting That is good if you are improving your accuracy quickly as that! Something to think about is testing your TIP before leaving the ground. If you're sending a running bowline up to the TIP for Single Rope Technique SRT, then have you and a groundman pull on the single strand. This is about double your body weight, so if it holds, it should hold under the minor bouncing of your body as you ascend to your TIP where you can inspect it, and set up your Doubled Rope Technique DdRT. Is sounds like you are asking about using a cambium saver and DdRT, good on you for the saver. Sounds like you're talking DdRT, so have you on one end and the groundie on the other to, again, TEST your TIP with twice your body weight. I was just a little bit out from the branch collar on a tree with DdRT. I tested the Douglas-fir branch that I thought would hold me. SNAP!! Had I not been testing on the ground, it could have been while I was on my way up, then my way down would have been FAST with a sudden stop at the end. TEST! TEST from the ground! There are some good throwline articles on ????????.com that inform on good techniques. You sound like you have some additional branches in the way. You will be surprised at how you can manipulate your throwbag at times to get one limb slung with your line to avoid your difficulty. Let's suppose you're dealing with a conifer with numerous branches that are radiating out from the tree, roughly horizontally, and somewhat stacked above one another. Let's say that you're looking at the tree in front of you, which we will call the 12 O'clock position. Let's say your throw way from the left side as you're facing it, or 9:00 toward the right side or 3:00. Now let's say that you have the Tie-in-point TIP at 12:00 with the 9:00 side clear, but after going over you TIP branch you've ended up on the 3:00 side of two branches on the way down. If you leave them there, you'll have the situation that you've described. If you manipulate the bag carefully, you'll be able to avoid this at times. If you are slowly pulling in the line, raising your bag, coming closer to the branch with the throwline running against the 3:00 side of the problematic branch, when you are just barely underneath (~2-4"), give it a faster pull that will bounce the bag off the branch as it comes up. It will bounce toward the 3:00 direction as it comes above the branch. Now as it it above the problem branch and swinging from 3:00 toward 9:00, drop the line and the bag will now be on the desired 9:00 side of the offending branch. If you do this with all of the branches in the way, then you will have a clean shot for DdRT all the way up to your TIP. Now remember to test the integrity of the TIP with your climbline before leaving the ground. Hope that this tip was clear enough, wish I could get a drawing in. Best of luck, or should I say skill.