How about the Zepplin Bend? I have started using that to take the place of the 8 and the double fisherman. Main reason is I hated how tight the frigen thing got on ya. Oh ya and I hate putting sticks in the knot!! So now I use the zepplin, pull and pull and pull on it and have problems getting it untied
. If you want I have video of me putting it under a 3:1 test with me pulling on it ( I am 150lbs ) I can post for ya, let me know.