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Therrin · 9th March 2008, 06:31 PM

the initial set of videos had a "auto" which only required one motion, a twist, in order to be ready to open the gate.

The second video (on this page), shows a biner which requires 2 independent motions, an upward pull followed by a twist, in order to be ready to open the gate; not counting opening the gate as a motion.

The first "auto", true, doesn't comply with the standard. I'll take blame for that one. However, it brought up the good point that all we've been saying on here is "auto-locking biners" and that there are auto's out there which do not apply in this context.

The second ( the one on this page) does however comply with ANSI standards. And it fails just as easily.

If I might add, my Omega screw locker takes 5 full turns from the point the gate is able to open, till it is fully locked closed.
Even after the first turn and a half, the gate is "locked", though not as effectively as a full screw-down, and not enough to be relied on.

Since you use thumb and forefinger to turn it, a half turn at a time, that's taking a consecutive 10 actions in a row in order to lock, and 10 more to unlock the biner just to the point where it will just barely open.
So thats.... 10 independent motions.... as opposed to 2 for the auto which complies with ANSI and fails my test.

9th March 2008, 06:31 PM	#112 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,420	Re: Types of Biners you use. the initial set of videos had a "auto" which only required one motion, a twist, in order to be ready to open the gate. The second video (on this page), shows a biner which requires 2 independent motions, an upward pull followed by a twist, in order to be ready to open the gate; not counting opening the gate as a motion. The first "auto", true, doesn't comply with the standard. I'll take blame for that one. However, it brought up the good point that all we've been saying on here is "auto-locking biners" and that there are auto's out there which do not apply in this context. The second ( the one on this page) does however comply with ANSI standards. And it fails just as easily. If I might add, my Omega screw locker takes 5 full turns from the point the gate is able to open, till it is fully locked closed. Even after the first turn and a half, the gate is "locked", though not as effectively as a full screw-down, and not enough to be relied on. Since you use thumb and forefinger to turn it, a half turn at a time, that's taking a consecutive 10 actions in a row in order to lock, and 10 more to unlock the biner just to the point where it will just barely open. So thats.... 10 independent motions.... as opposed to 2 for the auto which complies with ANSI and fails my test.